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Post by kongur on Jul 21, 2011 5:33:49 GMT -5
I'm from Faroe Islands myself, and I've pretty much gotten annoyed with all the lies those ladies have been spreading. They've only been here a few days, and already they spread these lies. As seen on this page: www.seashepherd.org/news-and-media/2011/07/20/two-faeroese-nationals-join-sea-shepherd-in-torshavn-harbour-1264Here's the truth: Firstly the fact that these boys joined them is an utter lie. They were offered a ride with their boat, the Brigitte Bardot, and they saw no reason not to. Later in the water they immaturely used and labeled them as if they joined Sea Shepherd in their campaign, which they themselves have denied. Secondly it says that the they were threatened by knives for coming, which again is an utter lie and a twist of things. The grind foreman offered them to see the knife that cuts the spinal cord of the whale, and even gave them the knife. Go to new.vagaportal.fo/pages/posts/grindamenn-tosa-vid-okoterroristar-11465.php and see the images for yourself. Every nice thing done to show civility is being twisted in such a way that we're seen as savages. These lies must come to light. |
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Post by Xxx on Aug 6, 2011 0:47:49 GMT -5
The simple question is this: why kill these whales? People of the islands have said they do nothing with the whale meat, that it's just a traditional practice these people do. Time to grow up an join the 21st century
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Post by Ryan on Aug 9, 2011 17:56:54 GMT -5
While I do agree with kongur that the spin from Sea Shepherd is suspect, these photos certainly do not show the verbal encounter so it's hard to say what really happened.
Either way, you are complaining about being labeled as savages - but let's get something straight. You drive entire pods of whales into a bay, this includes families of whales, pregnant females, babies, etc. Entire pods, entire social groups annihilated from the planet in just a few minutes. You run out with your children, jam hooks in the animals blowholes and slice their heads open to leave a bloody mess. You then slice open pregnant females and leave the babies to die on the docks.
What part of this doesn't resonate as SAVAGES to you?
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Post by derp on Aug 10, 2011 0:40:50 GMT -5
People of the islands have said no such thing, that we don't use the meat. Of course we eat the meat. The origin of our way of whale hunting, was way back when there wasn't much to eat on the Faroe Islands. We didn't have anything to farm, we couldn't import food from other countries, as it would be rotten when it came to the islands.
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Post by Keisari on Aug 11, 2011 18:20:05 GMT -5
Ryan
I would like to tell you that you got something right in your post, but there are some flaws.
First of all, yes. We drive entire pods to a certified bay or fjord and kill them. If the kill succeeds very well it's over in a few minutes.
2nd. Whales and dolphins ( the pilot whale is a dolphin ) sure are social creatures. But I do not see any difference in killing whales and dolphins, than killing entire packs or groups of any other mammal. For that sake I think it's cruel to kill entire packs of stray dogs.
Then it's about the children.. I do not see the problem here. I really can't believe that people are really so completely stupid, that they don't know that you have to kill an animal to get food. The children do not become violent savages by seeing a pilot whale getting killed. Neither if they see a sheep get killed. It's important to know where you get your food from.
The method of killing the pilot whales is the fastest possible. We do not force BLUNT hooks in their blowholes on every single whale. If the whales have landed far enough on the beach, then the hooks are used to haul them farther up the beach, after the kill. But if the whales don't land them selves the hook is used before it's killed. And I'm sorry but the scenario with a whale CALF ( not baby ) being alive after being taken out of the female womb is just not possible. Common logic's.
About the blood? Well.. Animals bleed if you cut them. Sorry, not our fault.
The whales are killed by cutting through their dorsal area and the major blood vessels to the brain and spinal cord.
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Post by jpmike on Aug 12, 2011 21:08:50 GMT -5
The killing of any whale or dolphin is wrong. The sinking of any whaling ship by any means is necessary.
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Post by Chris on Aug 13, 2011 21:40:23 GMT -5
The killing of any whale or dolphin is wrong. The sinking of any whaling ship by any means is necessary. Interesting...this is only a few words away from "The killing of any unborn baby is wrong. The killing of any doctors that perform abortions is necessary." Hmm.... |
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Post by hmm on Aug 21, 2011 5:07:51 GMT -5
But those words are not the words you say they're close to. What about, "We like to eat babies because it's tradition to eat babies when we're hungry."?
"When my great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandparents were hungry, they would eat children, forcing them into the ocean to die a 'merciful' death, if they couldn't swim. If they could swim we made sure we severed the proper arteries and spinal cord, after we dragged them further out with a hook to make sure they drowned. We continue to research how well our children can swim still to this day, by documenting how fast they drown. We do not want to kill our children in vein, so we make sure our kids edible flesh-bits are sold in supermarkets."
As long as there's profit to be made ... Is honest 'tradition' supposed to be profitable? Or is the profit the 'tradition'...? A scene in Whale Wars season 4 (I think) a chef says, "The best whale meat comes from research."
I'm not questioning the 'lies' you state as 'lies', and we're all entitled and should be encouraged to form our own opinions, but painting an orange red does not make it an apple. If you are truly indifferent to whales' wellbeing, why did you even make this website? Are you just a troll?
Or what about "That fetus (or unborn whale calf) was not living on its own power, therefore it didn't matter."? Your 'abortion' comparison/argument is very poor... That fetus was dead anyways!
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Post by Ryan on Aug 24, 2011 7:16:44 GMT -5
keisari,
I appreciate your response. However, I don't condone the killing of any animals unless truly necessary. This would include cows, pigs, chickens, dogs, whales, dolphins, seals, or any other animal for that matter. We live in a world where most people can easily live a very healthy life without eating animals. This makes the killing of the animals unnecessary.
So the question I would ask would be... Is killing the pilot whales necessary for the Faroese to survive? If the answer is no, then you are basically admitting wrong doing.
Fact is, you don't "have to kill an animal to get food" - it's far easier, healthier, cheaper, and better for the environment to NOT kill animals to get food... funny how that works.
Because it's not necessary, I guess as hard as it is to swallow and admit, you are simply killing the pilot whales for fun. Does this not make you savages?
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Post by french pouet on Aug 25, 2011 8:41:20 GMT -5
Hi,
I would like to share my point of view about pilot whale “hunting”in Faroe.
I totally condemn the grind for the following reasons:
- first of all, the whale dolphin is protected in Europe by the 1979 Bern convention. It is classified in Appendix II as “STRICTLY PROTECTED FAUNA SPECIES”. Then, why Faroe Islands keep killing those animals?? It seems to me that it is just illegal.
- I consider that killing a rabbit for instance is different from killing a dolphin. If people were a little more curious and watched documentaries at television instead of stupid reality TV, they would learn that dolphins are part of the most intelligent non human mammals on Earth, they would learn about their “society”, their behaviour and all their complexity which make me feel that we definitely can’t kill such intelligent animals.
-The grind is just a tradition, not a necessity, please be honest. The extreme violence of this grind is comparable to the violence from the Middle Ages. Hopefully, Human Beings have evolved since that period but I realise that some countries, even in one of the most developed and advanced part of the world, have difficulty to adapt to modernity.
Corrida is also a violent tradition (yet, much less violent than the grind… and bulls are not threatened of extinction) but in modern and developed countries, people have the capacity to criticize this tradition (their own tradition), which is not the case in Faroe which are definitely very conservative…. I hate conservatism, it is an obstacle to development, progress and modernity.
I whish some people from the Faroe could be more objective and critical regarding their culture. Many Spanish people are against corrida… are they “bad” Spanish?? I don’t think so!!
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Post by luke on Nov 17, 2012 22:37:44 GMT -5
the people on the faroe islands need to wake up and stop living in the stone age.Ive seen some sea Shepard episodes and them girls never needed to lie.You were showing all the neanderthal psychopathic tendencies the world saw with there plain eyes what unevolved heartless people you are.dolphins have been protected by human law since ancient Greece because they were considered a sentient being someone as intelligent loving and caring as us.There has been cases where dolphins have saved human life so it was considered a betrayal in my mind whales and dolphins are one in the same so that would make them the same as us.so does that mean you are all going to start to eat each other.the problem lies with your overly expensive country and ridiculous government.There are many advances in agriculture and such with growing plants in horrid extreme weather so i guess if you're nation of murderers open your eyes and evolve maybe you would see these opportunity's and lastly to the us in the western world and industrial nations each mammals such as chickens cows dogs Some are naturally prey. One can tell, because they reproduce in huge numbers, become able to reproduce at a very young age, live relatively short lives and we in the western world humanly kill our animals humanly not like the slaughter you see on you're beaches.like we slaughter pregnant cows lambs etc lol
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Post by shonan2 on Nov 20, 2012 10:06:07 GMT -5
the people on the faroe islands need to wake up and stop living in the stone age.Ive seen some sea Shepard episodes and them girls never needed to lie.You were showing all the neanderthal psychopathic tendencies the world saw with there plain eyes what unevolved heartless people you are.dolphins have been protected by human law since ancient Greece because they were considered a sentient being someone as intelligent loving and caring as us.There has been cases where dolphins have saved human life so it was considered a betrayal in my mind whales and dolphins are one in the same so that would make them the same as us.so does that mean you are all going to start to eat each other.the problem lies with your overly expensive country and ridiculous government.There are many advances in agriculture and such with growing plants in horrid extreme weather so i guess if you're nation of murderers open your eyes and evolve maybe you would see these opportunity's and lastly to the us in the western world and industrial nations each mammals such as chickens cows dogs Some are naturally prey. One can tell, because they reproduce in huge numbers, become able to reproduce at a very young age, live relatively short lives and we in the western world humanly kill our animals humanly not like the slaughter you see on you're beaches.like we slaughter pregnant cows lambs etc lol The problem is luke your talking nonsense. If the women didn't need to lie why did they? All the show showed was how animals are slaughtered, billions of animals are slaughtered every year, a few dolphins really is nothing. What human law have dolphins been protected by? There are cases of all sorts of animals saving human life, do we stop killing all animals because of this? No ofcourse not. You clearly no nothing of the problems the faroese island face with agriculture. You can't murder a whale or a dolphin, they are not human so the word murder cannot be applied. |
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Post by WhaleEater on Feb 19, 2013 22:05:20 GMT -5
What is wrong with whaling? I honestly don't see the problem. Why waste incredible amounts of effort on these creatures which are probably going to go extinct due to global warming when the money could be spent on starving kids in Africa, or ending war in the Middle East. I would rather live in a world with tolerance of tradition than one that abolishes it.
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Post by ffghk on Feb 22, 2013 20:02:02 GMT -5
the problem is that it costs a lot of money and creates a lot of pollution to hunt a threatened species that nobody really eats. its apointless slow death and you are right that money and effort would be better off doing some good in the world.
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Post by shonan2 on Feb 25, 2013 15:58:29 GMT -5
the problem is that it costs a lot of money and creates a lot of pollution to hunt a threatened species that nobody really eats. its apointless slow death and you are right that money and effort would be better off doing some good in the world. what species that is threatened is being hunted? certainly not the whales in the faroe islands |
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