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Post by ffghk on Mar 6, 2013 15:50:23 GMT -5
The Minke Whale is listed as a threatened species, so it is not endangered as pro whalers rightly say, but it IS threatened which definately means it could do without the hunts.
And as for the whale meat, the fact that the japaese have so much whale meat surplus, shows that they hunt too many, way more than the demand. But as for iceland, an independant investigation by a wildlife crime investigation organisation ~(I forget its name now) released a documentary on the iceland whaling situation, and discovered that the Icelandic whalers have far, far too much whale meat, and as a result are trying to further their proceeds by forcing a market into Japan. And they also discovered that the favoured whale meat, which happened to be easily and readily available, was fin whale , which IS endangered.
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Post by ffghk on Mar 6, 2013 15:57:55 GMT -5
And as for the Faroe Islnad hunts, the faroese people are just poisoning themselves in the eating of that meat, their very own, faroese doctors, (who ate whale meat) dicovered that the high levels of certain toxins that the whales have ingested from human pollution are harmful to human health. So the problem for me with whaling is not just that it is not one of the dominant meats in most of the countries who hunt it. (I cannot say for certain about the faroe islands, having never been there personally, but you cannot say that whale meat is anything other than a rare treat on a special occasion, and not a staple part of most of these countries dietss. ) Its not just that, its the fact that, in the eating of this meat, people are poisoning themselves. It just doesnt make sense to me.
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Post by shonan2 on Mar 7, 2013 18:38:13 GMT -5
The Minke Whale is listed as a threatened species, so it is not endangered as pro whalers rightly say, but it IS threatened which definately means it could do without the hunts. And as for the whale meat, the fact that the japaese have so much whale meat surplus, shows that they hunt too many, way more than the demand. But as for iceland, an independant investigation by a wildlife crime investigation organisation ~(I forget its name now) released a documentary on the iceland whaling situation, and discovered that the Icelandic whalers have far, far too much whale meat, and as a result are trying to further their proceeds by forcing a market into Japan. And they also discovered that the favoured whale meat, which happened to be easily and readily available, was fin whale , which IS endangered. The fact that even paul watson admits there are between 600 000 and 800 000 minke whales in the southern ocean would suggest the species is doing fine, minkes were never endanagered and never will be due to japanese whaling. The surplus arguement has been ripped to pieces many times already, the japanese maintain a stock in storage of around 5000 tons, now they do 2 large hunts a year, one in the southern ocean and one in the northern pacific, plus coastal whaling and yet this stock of whale meat always remains around 5000 tons. Now that suggests that it is being eaten. The japanese also hold stocks of over 100 000 tons of rice, over 100 000 tons of pork, 80 000 tons of beef. Are we suggesting those numbers prove the japanese don't eat those items either? So there is no market for whale meat and yet the japanese are happy to buy fin whale meat off iceland? please make your mind up on are the japanese eating whale or not. If sea shepherd really wanted to protect whales wouldn't it be better to protect the endangered fin whales in iceland rather than the plentiful minke whales in the southern ocean? Oh wait they won't go back because the Icelandics and Norwegians sent them packing.
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Post by shonan2 on Mar 7, 2013 18:42:06 GMT -5
And as for the Faroe Islnad hunts, the faroese people are just poisoning themselves in the eating of that meat, their very own, faroese doctors, (who ate whale meat) dicovered that the high levels of certain toxins that the whales have ingested from human pollution are harmful to human health. So the problem for me with whaling is not just that it is not one of the dominant meats in most of the countries who hunt it. (I cannot say for certain about the faroe islands, having never been there personally, but you cannot say that whale meat is anything other than a rare treat on a special occasion, and not a staple part of most of these countries dietss. ) Its not just that, its the fact that, in the eating of this meat, people are poisoning themselves. It just doesnt make sense to me. Its up to the faroese what they eat, if they want to eat whale they can. Its been proven to be sustainable because they have been doing it for hundreds of years. Mercury doesn't stay in the body forever hence why for all the claims its poisioning them no one seems to be dying from it, infact i would say the faroese are probaly one of the fittest groups of people on the planet, some of the most beautyful aswell to be honest. The Faroese also cannot grow much food on their islands so the whale meat does make up quite an important part of their diet, it is far from a luxuary treat for many locals
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Post by magne on Apr 4, 2013 19:37:18 GMT -5
the problem is that it costs a lot of money and creates a lot of pollution to hunt a threatened species that nobody really eats. its apointless slow death and you are right that money and effort would be better off doing some good in the world. I admit I don't know if your people don't eat it, but the whales are in fact eaten on the Faroe Islands. I've eaten it myself when visiting the islands.
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Another Lie from Paul Watson
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Post by Another Lie from Paul Watson on Jun 15, 2014 16:14:37 GMT -5
In this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqpgBex4eZY) from Russia Today(4:27 - 5:35) Paul Watson says that " "the Grind" is made for amusement, it's a sport. The people(of the Faore Islands) that are participating are drunk men and children that are stabbing, poking and slashing and that they consider this part as the tradition"
The truth: "The Grind" aka "GrindadrĂ¡p" is made only because of the meat. People have eaten pilot whale for over 500 years and it's not a sport. The killing is very fast and there are no drunk men or children when the killing is done. After the killing(when the meat is shared out to the people of the islands for free) some men are celebrating because of the fact that now the killing is done and nobody has to be hungry. Yes some children come and look how nature works. If you want to eat meat, you have to kill an animal.
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Post by Another Lie from Paul Watson on Jun 15, 2014 16:17:30 GMT -5
and I my self are from the Faroe Islands as well.
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Post by Pawlu on Jul 25, 2014 13:59:48 GMT -5
We are in 2014, killing these animals for the sake of your brutal tradition must stop... get a new hobby and let these beautiful creatures live. Teach your children to respect the creatures around them, teach them passion for animals, and to work towards a more sustainable future, starting with saving the oceans and animals in it.
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Post by kongur on Aug 2, 2014 15:34:04 GMT -5
We are in 2014, killing these animals for the sake of your brutal tradition must stop... get a new hobby and let these beautiful creatures live. Teach your children to respect the creatures around them, teach them passion for animals, and to work towards a more sustainable future, starting with saving the oceans and animals in it. Say we now live in 2015, where cows and chickens are suddenly considered cute, does that simply mean the world should stop eating them after someone made a mindless statement on the internet? Regardless of your intentions, you show no understanding to where food comes from. Yes this has become a tradition; everything that is done for hundreds of years becomes a tradition, but it's being done for FOOD. Children are taught where food come from here, not by disguising it in plastic wrappings in a store somewhere and pretend it's being made there. We show much more respect to our animals and honor nature for where our food comes from than all these mindless drones that think it's a hobby. I'll honor your opinion if you're a vegetarian and against killing of every animal, but simply being against whaling so you can use them for your amusement and take pictures at sea world while eating Mcdonalds... It disgusts me how little value you give nature.
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Post by frangelle on Jun 23, 2015 11:17:27 GMT -5
Omg! Cows and chickens ARE cute! And tasty when sourced and prepared properly. I'd say that Americans are becoming obsessed with how our food is sourced. Farmers' markets are legion, and every community seems to have small beef farmers upon whom they've come to rely for humanely raised, fed and slaughtered CUTE cows to eat. McDonalds are closing all over the country, and that's for reals. I've lived in the US all my life, and not once has anyone suggested to me that the food sold in our grocery stores is "made" there. That's just silly. My child absolutely knows where food comes from, and I can only hope that she will pass on her respect for the animals we consume and the farmers who make our consumption of same possible on to her children. Don't assume that all Americans are mindless drones, because an assumption like that might bite you in the ass someday. I don't think anyone actually believes that whaling is a hobby for the Faroe Islanders. That, too is silly. You seem to think that all of America is like an endless extension of NYC or LA - but I promise you, our country has vast farmlands and wildernesses. Simply because you live on a rock in the North Atlantic doesn't mean that you're somehow more of a Noble Savage than, say, a farm boy or girl from Wisconsin, whose existence depends just as much on the animals in their lives as your life depends upon the animals in yours. I'll honor your opinion if you demonstrate your understanding that for most of us who are opposed to whaling, it's not as much about the whales as it is the whales' role in the world ocean's eco-system, which whether you like it or not, is in a precarious state at the moment. I personally have no problem when people from places like the Faroe Islands hunt and kill a few whales, because I understand your need to stockpile food stores with respect to your location and lack of availability of alternative sources of food. Many people in the anti-whaling community don't get this, just like many people in the pro-whaling community don't get that those of us opposed to corporate whaling aren't all patchouli-wearing hippies who think that whales are mystical, highly intelligent - probably alien - creatures. One of our greatest military commanders, General Douglas MacArthur, once said that those who don't take the time to understand their enemy will never defeat them. The post above this one shows absolutely zero effort to understand the opposing side of the discussion, and the suggestion that someone who is opposed to whaling must therefore support SeaWorld and McDonalds is, in fact disgusting.
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