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Post by chris on Jun 13, 2012 15:46:04 GMT -5
"They've never hid the fact they want to return to commercial whaling, that only comes as a shock to idiots who don;t know the subject."
The real question is why? International law precludes it. The laughable part is that thay may have been forced to do some actual research at incredible expence just to keep up the charade. I say let them. It is kind of funny in a sad sort of way. Kind of an enormous Rube Goldberg experiment with a lot of collateral damage. Thats sad too.
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Post by shonan2 on Jun 17, 2012 6:34:04 GMT -5
The problem with that arguement is whaling isn't illegal. The ban is a voluntary ban that countries can sign up too. If you don't want to you don't have to sign and can legally hunt as many whales as you want. Plenty of countries still catch whales. Look at Norway, legally hunting endangered whales and SS are nowhere to be seen, strange that.
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Post by tom on Jun 28, 2012 17:31:11 GMT -5
The problem with that arguement is whaling isn't illegal. The ban is a voluntary ban that countries can sign up too. If you don't want to you don't have to sign and can legally hunt as many whales as you want. Plenty of countries still catch whales. Look at Norway, legally hunting endangered whales and SS are nowhere to be seen, strange that. Do you care nothing for the whales? Research has shown that whales have a larger section of the brain that feels emotions like love than we do. Do you know what that means? That means that the bonds between whales are possible syronger than the bonds between you and your family. That is what is being killed. Minke whales are not classed as endangered you are right, they are not classed as anything. For all the "research" the japanese are doing it cannot be determined whether the Minke Whales are threatend. But who cares. Who cares if an entire species goes extinct. Who cares? A lot of people care. There are few who wish for an entire species to go extinct. And your argument that we cannot impose food rules onto people is laughable. I eat meat, it is natural. But there is no country that NEEDS whale meat. Less than 5% Japanese eat it, The faroese eat other meat often enough for whale meat not to be needed. This is all down to whether you CARE. This is not about whether Paul Watson lied. You refuse to acknowledge that the other side lie too, and you know it. SSCS have raised publicity. And that has spurred people onto protecting our seas. I know some endangered species are not being focused on by SSCS but they are doing more good than you and the site creator are doing sitting on your computer spreading hate. I just want you to answer these questions. Do you care if an animal dies? Have you seen the light fade from its eyes? Because that is a tough thing to watch. And those who kill them do it for material greed or sport. That to me is evil.
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Post by shonan2 on Jun 29, 2012 6:37:55 GMT -5
what research has shown whales have a larger section of the brain dedicated to emotions? Most of a whales brain is purely there to keep the important bit warm. Also how do you research a whales brain while its inside its head?
Have i seen animals die, Yes.
So you eat meat but eating whale meat is not needed anymore. Thats a rather hypocritical view of things. What makes the animal that provided the meat for your meal less important than a whale?
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Post by tom on Jun 29, 2012 11:08:37 GMT -5
what research has shown whales have a larger section of the brain dedicated to emotions? Most of a whales brain is purely there to keep the important bit warm. Also how do you research a whales brain while its inside its head? Have i seen animals die, Yes. So you eat meat but eating whale meat is not needed anymore. Thats a rather hypocritical view of things. What makes the animal that provided the meat for your meal less important than a whale? Watch Super Smart Animals a BBC programme it actually shows the research. And the meat I eat comes from farms who have proven to officials that the animals are grown in healthy conditions have a reasonably lengthed life and are killed quickly and humanely. It is completely different to the method of killing whales. Because as many whalers have said It is impossible to kill them quickly because of the thick layer of blubber and the fact that they are underwater. So if they cannot be killed quickly or humanely then it should not continue.
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Post by Duchess Flux on Jun 30, 2012 9:30:15 GMT -5
First off, you should be outraged that Japan, Norway and Iceland continue to ignore the 30 year moratorium on commercial whaling. The continued and blatant defiance of the IWC (International Whaling Commission is an international commission, currently consisting of 88 nations, including Japan, that was established under the International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling (ICRW) in 1946 to regulate world "whaling" in order to ensure that whales were not over-hunted and to conserve whale stocks) and their governing bodies should have you seeing red.
The ICRW was signed by member nations in direct response to overzealous whaling and the vast destruction of our world's whale stocks... led by, you guessed it.... Japan, Norway and Iceland.
Due to the fact that whale species were becoming threatened and on their way to the endangered species list, a moratorium on the commercial hunting of whales was signed in 1982 (ushered in by Ronald Reagan) and went into effect in 1986. The moratorium remains in effect to date, and this is the international code that the Sea Shepherd is following.
A loophole in the treaty allows member nations to hunt whales for the sole purpose of scientific research. Japan uses this loophole to bypass the moratorium and commercially hunts whales, which bring in staggering profits (a baby whale will fetch as much as 31K), to serve in their restaurants that cater to the whims of the elite. Iceland and Norway initially used the same loophole, but later decided to flat out ignore the moratorium and ultimately withdrew from the treaty. The ONLY reason that Japan has not withdrawn from the treaty is for fear that it will face retaliation with fish embargos, mainly by the U.S. - Japan, however, continues to hunt whales in the Southern Ocean despite the fact that it is an international whale sanctuary and despite the fact they are full members of the IWC - you should be seeing red now. Are you? Native populations are allowed to whale hunt for subsistence, however this is an extremely minute proportion of the whales being slaughtered. Commercial whaling is destructive and we already saw in the 40's what happened when it was not regulated!
The quotes you have cherry picked are taken out of context and your analysis on the actions of the Sea Shepherd is so biased it cannot even be taken seriously. Does the Sea Shepherd cross the line.... more than likely yes. Does the Japanese government cross the line - hell no, they tore through the line and are blatantly ignoring a treaty THEY SIGNED!
To add even more insult to the people around the world who sent their sympathy and funds to the people of Japan after the Tsunami... the Japanese government allocated millions of government Tsunami relief funds to continue to commercially kill whales, again blatantly ignoring a treaty they signed, and now using our heartfelt generosity to fuel their ships. Now you may say that the funds were not directly taken from donations, however the donations are what enabled the government to have surplus funds in the tens of millions.
Either this site was created by someone from Japan (given the grammar and spelling, this could be done by using a translator) or a teen ager sitting on his/her ass, when he/she should be standing up for their ocean.... an ocean they are turning their backs on.
I stand by the whales. I am saddened that you don't see the bigger picture. I am horrified that you can just swallow it and am disgusted that you can justify it.
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Post by bob2231 on Jun 30, 2012 18:14:53 GMT -5
"This is sheer torture and for any country or person to want to continue in this sort of killing,shows a total lack of humanity" I wasn't aware that whales were human. Did they demonstrate their "humanity" for the Bardot crew by rescuing them as it seemed to be sinking?
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Post by Duchess on Jun 30, 2012 19:37:09 GMT -5
Appears my latter speculation was correct. Bob2231 you so delightfully shared "I wasn't aware that whales were human." in reference to another poster who mentions that the killing of whales "shows a total lack of humanity." I'd hate for you to go though life with the incorrect definition of humanity, so I am going to paste it here for you. It is a very powerful word and by the time you reach college, if you and your parents decide you will pursue an academic career, you will no doubt thank me Definition of HUMANITY 1 : the quality or state of being humane 2 a : the quality or state of being human b plural : human attributes or qualities <his work has the ripeness of the 18th century, and its rough humanities — Pamela H. Johnson> 3 plural : the branches of learning (as philosophy, arts, or languages) that investigate human constructs and concerns as opposed to natural processes (as in physics or chemistry) and social relations (as in anthropology or economics) 4 : the human race : the totality of human beings
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Post by bob2231 on Jun 30, 2012 22:23:25 GMT -5
Appears my latter speculation was correct. Bob2231 you so delightfully shared "I wasn't aware that whales were human." in reference to another poster who mentions that the killing of whales "shows a total lack of humanity." I'd hate for you to go though life with the incorrect definition of humanity, so I am going to paste it here for you. It is a very powerful word and by the time you reach college, if you and your parents decide you will pursue an academic career, you will no doubt thank me Definition of HUMANITY 1 : the quality or state of being humane 2 a : the quality or state of being human b plural : human attributes or qualities <his work has the ripeness of the 18th century, and its rough humanities — Pamela H. Johnson> 3 plural : the branches of learning (as philosophy, arts, or languages) that investigate human constructs and concerns as opposed to natural processes (as in physics or chemistry) and social relations (as in anthropology or economics) 4 : the human race : the totality of human beings I suppose it depends on the source. From the Oxford English Dictionary,the preeminent source for the origin of the English Language.(Don't trust me,ask any English Lit. professor): humanity Pronunciation: /hjʊˈmanɪti/ noun (plural humanities) [mass noun] 1)human beings collectively: appalling crimes against humanity: the state of being human: our differences matter but our common humanity matters more 2)the quality of being humane; benevolence: he praised them for their standards of humanity and care 3) (humanities) learning concerned with human culture, especially literature, history, art, music, and philosophy. The word referred to HUMANS.THE STATE OF BEING HUMAN. HUMANITIES: LEARNING CONCERNED WITH HUMAN CULTURE. As time goes by other meanings are forced into the lexicon because those too ignorant to learn actual meanings insist that non-words are words,and that they have additional meanings.We can conversate on that if you want(that gave my spell check a nosebleed)and I hope I won't disrespect(v)you.I ain't a hatah,yo. I'm probably older than you,most likely have a far broader education in life experience than you will ever attain,have served in 2 branches of our Military,and was fortunate enough to have been raised by 2 civil servants,most assuredly the type of people that your elitist crew would belittle.As evidenced by the fact that this is without a doubt the first time in my experience on Al's "Internets" that anyone ever mentioned someone else's parents.Most would consider that off limits,or at the least,boorish. But go on feeling superior to everyone who disagrees with you.I know how valuable that can be to people living their lives through someone else,their only life experience gleaned from another's action. I'll go on living my own life,mostly because my poor parents weren't able to insulate me from existence here in the real world,and secure in the fact that when I'm done,it'll be MY life before my eyes,not some fat terrorist's,because I wasn't afraid to try.
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Post by shonan2 on Jul 1, 2012 5:47:22 GMT -5
what research has shown whales have a larger section of the brain dedicated to emotions? Most of a whales brain is purely there to keep the important bit warm. Also how do you research a whales brain while its inside its head? Have i seen animals die, Yes. So you eat meat but eating whale meat is not needed anymore. Thats a rather hypocritical view of things. What makes the animal that provided the meat for your meal less important than a whale? Watch Super Smart Animals a BBC programme it actually shows the research. And the meat I eat comes from farms who have proven to officials that the animals are grown in healthy conditions have a reasonably lengthed life and are killed quickly and humanely. It is completely different to the method of killing whales. Because as many whalers have said It is impossible to kill them quickly because of the thick layer of blubber and the fact that they are underwater. So if they cannot be killed quickly or humanely then it should not continue. I did watch that program and was totally unimpressed. There research was nothing but theories backed up by very flimsy so called evidence. A pig and a crow show far more real intelligence than whales and dolphins do. You would think if they were so intelligent they would have learnt by now to stay away from the beaches at Taiji and the Faroe islands, but no each year they come back and in Taiji despite showing they can jump out of the water to quite a height not one has yet worked out that if they jump over that 6 inch high net they can just bugger off. Yeah real intelligent
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Post by pete on Jul 18, 2012 2:12:14 GMT -5
i cant stand the captain egotisical attitude that he never breaks the law and how he and his organization tries to stop someone from just earning a living
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Post by Gil on Jul 17, 2013 15:26:41 GMT -5
This website hasn't been updated for ages... too bad, with Watson on the Interpol's Red List, there would be much to say about that pathological liar turned criminal.
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Post by Rainyday on Oct 17, 2013 4:54:36 GMT -5
I really can't believe how idiotic this entire website is. You information is lacking in the absolutes. Your opinion is only that, backed up by no facts.
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Post by Seriously? on Jun 13, 2015 8:29:39 GMT -5
How does someone dedicate their time to this site? You have literally taken a lot of time and energy to criticize a man who uses all of HIS time and energy to try to stop humanity from wreaking havoc upon the oceans. I personally do not care if he has lied, and I don't care if he has scuttled ships. Laws are not the final word on morality, in fact, they fall incredibly short. Let us not forget that segregation was legal (up until 20 years ago in South Africa) as was slavery, and as is, currently in some states, discriminating against sexual orientation. The people who support Sea Shepherd understand this, and understand that there is a greater morality out there than the defense of capitalism. I don't know if all of you are jealous of this man's stature in the world ("He's not even a REAL captain!" *gasp*) but what I suggest is you find a passion that is meaningful and contributes something positive to this planet instead of whining over your keyboards.
Good day.
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Post by frangelle on Jun 22, 2015 10:18:03 GMT -5
Hokey smokes!!!!!! I'm in total agreement with the last guest comment. A lot of time and energy has been put into the creation of this website and the testosterone fueled seething ire of the site's creator that has been injected into his every typed word is downright palpable. Unfortunately, fretting over whether or not a SS vessel was really scuttled or obsessively picking over Watson's every last public statement to see which may be touted as lies just makes me think of Admiral Akbar shouting: "It's a trap!" You've trapped yourself inside an incredibly narrow view of the big picture, which is: the world ocean is in BIG trouble, despite any rhetoric you've memorized to the contrary. As a mother, I'd kind of like to not have to one day show my grandchildren pictures of coral reefs in books and say, "Yep, they used to be everywhere." I am therefore a proud supporter of SS and other organizations who are prepared to use whatever means at their disposal to do what they can to stem the systematic destruction of marine ecosystems. If this was 1773, I'd be just as supportive of the extremely violent response of our colonial ancestors to rid themselves of the virus of tyranny. You've made the equation much more byzantine than it needs to be. It's really very simple: Corporate greed = damaged ocean = damaged food supply = damaged planet. Damaged planet = extreme changes in human ecosystems. Or to make it really easy for you: No water/food = no people. How many times has each of us been advised not to excrete where we eat? And yet, that's all our species does. All of the manly posturing on this website - which just reminds me of Ahab going after his white whale - won't do a thing to help the planet and by extension those of us who live here. Remember what happened to Ahab? Call me Ishmael.
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