very interesting

[hola]

iv just taken a visit to your home page seashephardlies.com and found something interesting.

as part of one of your lie-truth comments you left this post:
THE TRUTH:

The Australian news program "Catalyst" addressed this very issue in 2006. The show, with a clear anti-whaling stance, actually had enough regard for the truth to report the actual facts. "We’ve divided them now into the unrefereed papers and the papers that have been through a peer review process. And there’s 55 of those." and this quote comes from Dr. Nick Gales a renouned anti-whaling critic. So how do two vehemently anti-whaling people come to such vastly different conclusions? Well, Watson lies and Dr. Gales has the decency to be truthful. A more detailed transcript can be found here.

and although yes paul waston does say that these documents havnt been produced, now that someone has been through them and read them dont you find it intesting? as Dr niles explains, out of 19 yesrs of reasearch they have created 55 documents, and out of these there are four which would be relevent to important needed data on whales. he explains that over 6000 whales died for these four papers of reasearch and that they would even pass an ethics committee. and the japanese even say they are looking for sustainable reasearch and wish to double their quota.

now i understand the sight and the points are very interesting and truthful, but why use this as a point of truth to disporve paul wastons actions when as three scientists locked in a room and forced to review the papers say (in a round about way) that this is a smokescreen from the japanese and they just want the whale meat, even if they have to complete reasearch which gives no real deteriminations?

p.s ( my spelling and grammar are off, due to my dyslexia)

[shonan2]

because the simple fact is the japanese is doing research and is producing the results for others to read and review. The IWC which regulates the worlds whaling fleets admits that the japanese are doing research and it was the IWC that requested the japanese increase their quota from 450 to around 900 to produce better research

If the japanese just wanted to resume commercial whaling they could very easily and there would be nothing anyone could do to stop it, they don't however do that because they wish to remain in the IWC and abide by the regulations they set down, other nations have just told the IWC to f**k off and have resumed commercial whaling already

[blackpain]

Why the need to do research on animal, WHY

[shonan2]

www.icrwhale.org/pdf/SC57O1.pdf

The Japanese Whale Research Program under Special Permit in the Antarctic (JARPA) was
conducted between 1987/88 and 2004/05 austral summer seasons, under Article VIII of the
International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling. The IWC Scientific Committee conducted
an interim review of JARPA results in 1997. In January 2005, a JARPA review meeting called by the
Government of Japan was held.
JARPA provided a wide variety of information on biological parameters of the Antarctic minke
whale such as the natural mortality coefficient and changes over time in the age at maturity as well
as narrowing down the parameters of relevance for sock management. JARPA also elucidated that
there are two stocks in the research area but their geographical boundaries are different from those
used by the IWC. Further, JARPA found that pollutant concentration in whale tissues, such as heavy
metals and PCBs, was extremely low. JARPA has thus successfully obtained data related to the
initially proposed objectives. The review meeting conducted in January 2005 agreed that results from
JARPA are consistent with the behaviour to be expected of baleen whale populations competing for
a dominant single food resource, krill. The meeting also agreed that the results obtained provide clear
support for the need to take species-interaction (ecosystem) effects into account in understanding the
dynamics of the baleen whale species in the Antarctic ecosystem, and predicting future trends in
their abundance and population structure.
Based on these considerations, the Government of Japan will launch a new comprehensive study
under the Second Phase of the Japanese Whale Research Program under Special Permit in the
Antarctic (JARPA II), combining lethal and non-lethal methods, starting from the 2005/06 austral
summer season. The first two seasons (2005/06 and 2006/07) will be dedicated to feasibility studies.
The practicability and appropriateness of sighting methods in the enlarged area and sampling
procedures given the increased sample size and additional species will be examined. Methods for
catching, flensing and taking biological measurements of large body-sized whales will be tested. The
full-scale JARPA II will start from the 2007/08 season. It will be a long-term research program with
the following objectives 1) Monitoring of the Antarctic ecosystem, 2) Modelling competition among
whale species and developing future management objectives, 3) Elucidation of temporal and spatial
changes in stock structure and 4) Improving the management procedure for the Antarctic minke
whale stocks. JARPA II will focus on Antarctic minke, humpback and fin whales and possibly other
species in the Antarctic ecosystem that are major predators of Antarctic krill. Annual sample sizes
for the full-scale research (lethal sampling) are 850 (with 10% of allowance) Antarctic minke whales
(Eastern Indian Ocean and Western South Pacific Stocks), 50 humpback whales (D and E-Stocks)
and 50 fin whales (Indian Ocean and the Western South Pacific Stocks). During the feasibility study,
a maximum annual sample size of 850+-10% Antarctic minke whales will be sampled. A maximum
of ten fin whales will be sampled in each season. Humpback whales will not be taken during the
feasibility study.
The research methods for the JARPA II are basically the same as the previous JARPA with some
modifications. The program involves both non-lethal research techniques such as sighting surveys,
biopsy sampling, acoustic surveys for prey species and the collection of oceanographic data as well
as lethal sampling since collection of certain information, of vital importance to the overall study,
requires examination of internal organs such as ovaries, earplugs and stomachs.
A comprehensive review will be conducted following completion of the first 6 years of the research.
Cruise reports will be submitted annually to the IWC/SC.

[shonan2]

www.icrwhale.org/QandA2.html

this covers pretty much everything

[blackypain]

Sorry but that seem pretty much the official statement, nothing in there justified killing so many whales. Obtaining samples tissue can be done with out killing, monitoring does not need killing. Still the killing is absurb if it is really just for studies. Same goes with all testing on animal. All test on animal is useless when at the end it is for human. We know that but still we study and keep on killing.

[blackypain]

It make me real sad went they talk about animal as stock, those are wild animal, there are not breed to be feed to human. They are part of an eco system that does not belong to us. We are all equal creature for FUCK SAKE.

[shonan2]

Feb 20, 2014 12:35:34 GMT -5 blackypain said:

Sorry but that seem pretty much the official statement, nothing in there justified killing so many whales. Obtaining samples tissue can be done with out killing, monitoring does not need killing. Still the killing is absurb if it is really just for studies. Same goes with all testing on animal. All test on animal is useless when at the end it is for human. We know that but still we study and keep on killing.

you do realise the japanese also do non lethal research which includes monitoring and sighting servays? You can't age a whale without killing it, and if you don't know the age the data you can get is irrelevent. The Australians often try to claim you can do all the japanese research without killing whales, and yet when the australians actually tried it they got almost nothing

theinconvenienttruthonwhaling.blogspot.co.uk/2011/03/legality-of-whaling-part-ii-research.html

As for not testing on animals, im presuming non of your family has ever needed an organ transplant or is a diabetic as without animal testing they would be dead, as would alot of other people

northernstar.info/opinion/columnists/article_94ffd440-60af-11e0-ac68-001a4bcf6878.html

''Deep brain stimulation is an effective treatment for Parkinson's disease, which was discovered through studies conducted on monkeys that simulated a similar condition, according to The Parkinson's Appeal, a group organized to provide the surgery more widely.

The Foundation for Biomedical Research declares in its research policy statement, "practically every present-day protocol for the prevention, treatment, cure and control of disease, pain and suffering is based on knowledge attained through research with lab animals."

Victories over disease include "polio, diptheria, mumps, rubella and hepatitis." Many of these life-saving discoveries have also been applied to improve the health of animals.''

[Kevin]

It amazes me that for hundreds of thousands of years these whales got along just fine without us doing research on them. If left alone they will be fine no lethal research need be done.

[frangelle]

[frangelle]

Okay, so let me get this straight, since I'm not Japanese, Icelandic, Norwegian, Faroe or a member of any group interested in killing and eating whales. The world community pretty much said "Ewwwww, all ya'lls should just stop whaling because it's like, stupid. In response, some whaling folk said FU whaling haters, it's part of our cultural thing and you have no right to tell us not to be, like cultural and stuff! Japan, on the other hand, said now just wait a gosh darn minute! We're actually conducting "scientific" "research" hunts to provide a basis for sustainable whaling, so don't go all cultural hegemony on us! And just look! Our esteemed Institute of Cetacean Research (cue: heavenly music) which is funded by government subsidies and the ultra-amazing totally neutral people at Kyodo Senpaku (which just happens to be the largest processor and marketer of whale meat - but we swear, that's just a coincidence!) And just look at all the totally cool scientific stuff we've learned about whales! JARPA went out there and found out that...? I read the report, but found myself in total agreement with the IWC when they concluded that JARPA's efforts could be summed up by "little progress was made toward the understanding of the role in whales in the Antarctic ecosystem." And JARPA II? All that seemed to accomplish was to move the IWC to pass resolutions (plural) by majority votes urging Japan to stop conducting lethal research. On to JARPN! This one had to do the trick, yes? But no. IRCW Article VIII states that JARPN's objectives were deemed UNNECESSARY for "stock management." in 2000, 2001 and 2003 the IWC passed resolution after resolution urging Japan to stop lethal and utterly useless "research." And finally on 3/31/14 the ICJ in a 12-4 vote declared that Japan's whaling program was NOT scientific. NOT. I personally have more respect for the whaling nations and groups that just say, "Fuck off, we like to hunt, kill and eat whales." than I do for a country that's spent millions and millions of dollars in obscenely useless research the ONLY purpose of which was to provide the world with data that would hopefully support their jones for whale meat. I understand that Japan is a stockpiling nation when it comes to food, but you know what? Japan isn't the ONLY stockpiling nation, so they should stop crying in their tea about how they're forced to keep 5000 tons of whale meat in their seafood stockpile, because that's just complete crap. If Japan had spent the collective dollar amount spent on JARPA, JARPA II and JARPN on something amazing, like education, for example, think of how much better off it would be. If you want to hunt whales, just freaking hunt them! But don't form JARPA after JARPA in a pathetic effort to say: hey! stop hating! we're the good guys and we have the data to prove it...BECAUSE YOU DON'T. All you have is less money in your money stockpile. And while Japan does enjoy the number one spot on the list of longevity by nation - super mega gratz on that! - I see that the number one cause of death in adults in Japan is stroke - which I'm sure is what happens when your country's economy finally sinks into your brains, which admittedly doesn't happen all that often because you live such long lives! Go hunt your whales, Japan, just stop trying to be noble about it. Why do you care what the majority of the world community thinks?