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Post by Karl on Jul 27, 2011 15:11:52 GMT -5
The funny thing about this site is that before I found it I thought the sea shepherd guys were just hosting another overdramatized reality tv show and this was a turn off. Now I can see that they have actually been doing something. Thanks to your site I am ready to begin supporting them. The lies aren't that important to me so long as they keep sinking those fishing vessels. Ha. Thanks chris. You've made a whale wars/ sea shepherd fan of me.
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Post by Chris on Jul 29, 2011 14:29:57 GMT -5
Thanks chris. You've made a whale wars/ sea shepherd fan of me. You're welcome. I just put the facts out there. Whatever you decide to do with them is up to you.
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Post by heidi on Aug 4, 2011 18:27:11 GMT -5
Wow... I was always led to believe FACT = TRUTH. Paul Watson does not promote racist views toward the Japanese as a people; he is more interested in preserving a species that has been on the planet alot longer than we have. The world is going green; that is a FACT. I predict that in the very near future... whaling (as exhibited by the Maru fleet) will not only be illegal but extremely unpopular. Wearing fur used to be a status statement - now it is an ignorance statement. Ordering Shark Fin soup... also a power statement - that one is ignorance and arrogance (watch any shark finning documentary). Slavery - widely accepted during a time - completely unacceptable and abolished. Bottom line is... humans don't own the earth! If we're going to leave anything for our children... it should be an earth full of all the species we found it with.... period. Then there's compassion. Am I to teach my children when they watch "Whale Wars" or "The Cove" that these practices are acceptable? Never. I always tend to believe the side that doesn't hide and speaks openly - as Paul Watson and Rick O'Barry have... I have yet to hear anything from the Japanese "maritime professionals". Personally, I have read, watched and researched enough to know I won't be eating Sushi or going to Sea World anytime soon.
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Post by Chris on Aug 13, 2011 21:37:40 GMT -5
Personally, I have read, watched and researched enough to know I won't be eating Sushi or going to Sea World anytime soon. Now those are the types of protests and statements that make sense. You don't like the war in Vietnam, you get thousands to protest in Washington and make it clear how unpopular the war is...you don't try to assassinate the President. You don't like whaling, you start a movement against people eating whale meat, you don't track down the guy who owns the whaling company and shoot him in the head and you don't start attacking whalers on the high seas.
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Post by dan on Aug 16, 2011 1:15:18 GMT -5
this whole site is a lie.
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Post by Chris on Aug 18, 2011 5:01:43 GMT -5
this whole site is a lie. Really, Dan, is that the best you can do? You're not even going to try to pretend you have even a remedial intelligence or any debate skills whatsoever? Surely you can come up with SOMETHING to back your asinine statement. We'll all forgive you for failing if you at least try.
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Post by wooget on Aug 18, 2011 17:11:40 GMT -5
There are lies on both sides. Each side puts it's own spin on the story to gain some desired result. To sit and debate whether Sea Shepherd lies more than the Japanese Institute of Cetacean Research or vice versa is pointless. Each side claims the other is being "unfair" in it's actions, comments and PR initiatives. My Dad always used to say "there is nothing fair in this world, there's only right and wrong". To that end, let me sum this up by saying that whaling is inherently WRONG. Three harpoon ships and a giant whale meat processing vessel are WRONG. The SM#2 turned into the Ady Gil and deliberately colided with the vessel, which was WRONG. I lived on the island of Kyushu from 1987 to 1989. I walked the streets, saw the morning seafood markets. I saw how the country raped the life out of the ocean, pumped cooling water from a nuclear reactor in Miyazaki Prefecture back into the ocean and didn't give a damn about it. This is WRONG. The Japanese Institute of Cetacean Research may put forth the lie about whaling being research, but in the end it's still a lie and that is WRONG. The JICR is nothing more than a variation on Japan's Unit 731. Their culture really doesn't value life whether human, animal or plant if it doesn't suit their needs and that is WRONG. So does Paul Watson lie? Yeah, he probably does, but another thing my Dad used to say is "If you're gonna fight, don't plan on fighting fair, 'cause you can sure as hell bet the other guy isn't". Chris, in this life there isn't anything fair, just right and wrong. This is my first, last and only post on your board and may I just depart with this piece of truth... this site is WRONG.
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Post by Chris on Aug 18, 2011 20:55:26 GMT -5
My Dad always used to say "there is nothing fair in this world, there's only right and wrong". To that end, let me sum this up by saying that whaling is inherently WRONG. Civilized society does not and can not operate on individual opinions of what is "right" and "wrong", but a collective decision which results in the formulation of laws. You started out with an intelligent, unbiased comment which quickly deteriorated into not-so-subtly camouflaged banner waving for the pro-Watson team. If there is "right" and "wrong", than lying is one or the other. You don't get to say lying is "wrong" unless it's in concert with my beliefs in which case it suddenly becomes "right". You don't get to say, breaking laws is wrong" until I don't like it, then it's suddenly "right". Your argument is patently illogical, inherently flawed and positively hypocritical.
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Post by The Infamous Jrad on Aug 19, 2011 13:41:27 GMT -5
The only "Research" that is done on these whales is how to best catch them and prepare them for marketing.
I'm sure even the whales are smart enough to know this, but are you?
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Post by Chris on Aug 19, 2011 18:51:46 GMT -5
The only "Research" that is done on these whales is how to best catch them and prepare them for marketing. I'm sure even the whales are smart enough to know this, but are you? There have been more than 50 reports released by the whaling commission as a result of their "research". You can argue that the research is unnecessary, you could argue it's mere cover or you could argue it's useless. To suggest their is no research being done is just more lying, but that's what we've come to expect from Watson and his mindless disciples.
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Post by The Infamous Jrad on Aug 19, 2011 19:47:21 GMT -5
The "so called" research they do is as fake as the wording painted on the side of their ships.
50 reports huh... have you even read some of them??? One I saw basically said that the species migrates, something we've known for centuries.
This is nothing but a lame attempt at making a smokescreen to cover up what they're really doing.
By the way, how many thousands of whales did they have to kill to make these 50 reports? I could make 50 much more informative reports without killing any whales.
If you want to talk about who's lying, then stop pretending you actually believe they are doing research. No one believes that, and fake research is not "research" at all, its a coverup for illegal activities... ie. poaching of whales in this case.
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Post by RM on Aug 24, 2011 11:58:45 GMT -5
Civilized society does not and can not operate on individual opinions of what is "right" and "wrong", but a collective decision which results in the formulation of laws. You mean like the collective decision to make whaling illegal? That was a collective decision, then the Japanese government moved on it's own individual opinion to "research" whales. I get that you're just trying to stand out against sea shepherd but your downfall will be that what your defending is wrong/illegal/immoral/inhumane whatever you want to call it
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Post by Chris on Aug 24, 2011 17:26:06 GMT -5
I get that you're just trying to stand out against sea shepherd but your downfall will be that what your defending is wrong/illegal/immoral/inhumane whatever you want to call it What I'm defending is not whaling, but a civilized process of law and order that the S.S. has no respect for. Of course, Watson has no regard for the truth, either, so it's not surprising as it goes to character. What's surprising is how many people he's manipulated into believing the same. The S.S. are not enforcing any "laws" and have no authority to do so as is evidenced by their convictions in multiple countries. If I see a guy speeding, I'm not empowered to legally launch projectiles at his car or ram him because he's breaking the law. But people like you seem to think that's reasonable and acceptable.
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Post by Ryan on Aug 24, 2011 19:34:36 GMT -5
Chris,
I'm sorry but that is just a very poor comparison.
You wouldn't launch projectiles at a speeding car because there is active law enforcement set in place to stop such illegal activity. You are also empowered to call law enforcement yourself, take pictures as evidence to support them, etc.
The World Charter for Nature specifically gives non-governmental groups (like Sea Shepherd) the LEGAL status to enforce international law where governments are failing to do so.
What I do like about your speeding analogy, is that the person speeding is BREAKING THE LAW, much as the whaling fleets are breaking the law.
I continue to find it amazing how much credit you give lawmakers and governments, the simple fact that there are so many puppet voting nations and vote buying in the IWC should be proof enough that these organizations are terribly corrupt. The bluefin tuna are damn near extinct, the great whales are damn near extinct, all of this happened under the "civilized law and order".
The only real solution is by going out and stopping it yourself (Exactly what Sea Shepherd is doing). If it weren't for individuals standing up and "breaking the law" and fighting for what is right, many civilized countries we have today probably wouldn't exist. Every revolution, ever, was a result of supposed "uncivilized people breaking the law."
If "conviction in multiple countries" is breaking a law that governments put in place to hide their environmental destruction, then please, break more. Filming the seal slaughter was illegal, simply because the Canadian government didn't want their deplorable actions exposed, WHY ELSE WOULD IT BE ILLEGAL to film the seal slaughter? Stop giving governments so much credit.
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Post by french pouet on Aug 25, 2011 9:24:25 GMT -5
Hi I found this website today.... I just dont understand what the purpose is. Fighting against Sea Shepherd? Seriously, don't you have any more interesting "target" than an NGO Put your energy somewhere else, there are so many subjects that you could fight against... really.
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