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Post by Chris on Aug 15, 2009 5:14:25 GMT -5
At the request of some visitors to the site, I've added this message board so people can talk about opinions and state their case about their position on the Sea Shepherd and Paul Watson debate. Naturally, as the founder of the site, my position is pretty obvious, but I welcome discussion, debate and argument.
I won't be censoring speech as long as it's not unreasonably profane, innappropriate and has some relevancy to the discussions at hand.
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Post by landblubber on Aug 16, 2009 1:13:04 GMT -5
Thanks for taking the initiative to create this board Chris. It has long bothered me that this guy endangers peoples lives at sea to fulfill his own egotistical needs. Not that I am unopposed to widespread whaling. I just happen to think there are safer and more successful ways of achieving it.
As far as I can tell, Watson has been more successful at fanning anti-Japanese sentiment than actually saving any cetaceans.
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Post by neuwo on Aug 30, 2009 19:24:26 GMT -5
As far as I can tell, Watson has been more successful at fanning anti-Japanese sentiment than actually saving any cetaceans. That's what I find most disturbing. The out and out racism being exhibited by so many. I do take it a bit personally as my wife is Japanese and my daughter is 1/2 Japanese. There is a mental sickness when placing more value on an animal's life than on a humans, and one of the results is that ability to jump on board with some pretty outlandish hatred for an entire group of people because of the actions of some of their maritime professionals. I am surprised by how many people buy into the SS cult's propaganda and distortions. They actually believe the words of a man who excels at dishonesty and encourages the same from his followers. There is more than enough evidence to characterize Watson as an anti-human pathological liar. |
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Post by Tony on Oct 31, 2009 1:11:19 GMT -5
As far as I can tell, Watson has been more successful at fanning anti-Japanese sentiment than actually saving any cetaceans. That's what I find most disturbing. The out and out racism being exhibited by so many. I do take it a bit personally as my wife is Japanese and my daughter is 1/2 Japanese. There is a mental sickness when placing more value on an animal's life than on a humans, and one of the results is that ability to jump on board with some pretty outlandish hatred for an entire group of people because of the actions of some of their maritime professionals. I am surprised by how many people buy into the SS cult's propaganda and distortions. They actually believe the words of a man who excels at dishonesty and encourages the same from his followers. There is more than enough evidence to characterize Watson as an anti-human pathological liar. the value of human and animal life is equal. unfortunately it may take an extreme example (in this case valuing animal life more) to get some people to seriously think about things. unfortunately i don't get the impression that anyone on this board would feel anything close to the same way |
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Post by Chris on Oct 31, 2009 5:22:48 GMT -5
The problem with your position, Tony, is that your comment "the value of human life and animal life are equal" is nothing more than your opinion and the majority of the world population do not agree. In fact, far from it. Because you (or Paul Watson) has an opinion on something does not justify you ignoring laws or taking the law into your own hands no matter how passionately you may feel about it. There are fundamentalists who have the opinion that an abortion is murder and killing a doctor that performs an abortion is a good and necessary thing. Those people act on their opinions and the S.S. acts on theirs...and in both cases they're legally in the wrong and, according to most people, morally in the wrong.
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Post by Tony on Oct 31, 2009 9:27:40 GMT -5
Well everything is an opinion. Today's laws are based on the opinion's of few set-up a long time ago, now its at the point where it everyone is so used to what is "right" or "wrong" that anything different is immediately evil. Saying the majority of the world's population disagrees with me doesn't mean that my opinion is immediately wrong and everyone else's is immediately right.
And who gave humans the right to say whose life should be valued more than another life? what humans should live and what animals should die?
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Post by padbritt on Nov 1, 2009 12:46:06 GMT -5
And who gave humans the right to say whose life should be valued more than another life? what humans should live and what animals should die? Well, since humans are the only species capable of knowing what a "right" is, I think that makes a pretty good case that it should be humans. If you disagree you can take a poll of the whales, the kitties, whatever, and let us know what their opinion is. |
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Post by padbritt on Nov 1, 2009 13:00:01 GMT -5
Chris,
Nice site, I had not seen it before today. One lie you didn't mention is that Paul Watson has no qualifications as a "Captain", even though that title is often applied to him by sea shepherd and the media.
If I can offer a small word of criticism, the background color could be a bit lighter, it's making the text a bit hard to read. Overall a good job though.
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Post by Tony on Nov 1, 2009 14:53:25 GMT -5
And who gave humans the right to say whose life should be valued more than another life? what humans should live and what animals should die? Well, since humans are the only species capable of knowing what a "right" is, I think that makes a pretty good case that it should be humans. If you disagree you can take a poll of the whales, the kitties, whatever, and let us know what their opinion is. if a 12-year old found one of their parents guns which was supposed to be out of their reach you think they have the right to use it? |
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Post by ashglay on Oct 14, 2010 11:56:41 GMT -5
Chris, I do agree with you stance against Sea Shepherd. But many people are till manipulated by their lies such as their T.V shows. Sadly, the targeted town for their found-raising program, Taiji-town in Japan, are doing almost nothing to resist their violation. The citizens in Taiji-town, especially the fishermen get scared of them. Your website can encourage them to fight with them to protect their peaceful life and culture. I would like to keep watching your website. If you would not mind, I would like to link with your website on my blog. I don't update many times but check out if you are interested, and wish I can connect with your website to show the truth of SS to many other people. Website: naniwanism.blogspot.com/2010/10/japan-anti-whaling-activists-bicker.htmlKeep on your work  Ashglay |
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Post by mishkasmum on Jan 11, 2011 3:29:28 GMT -5
I agree with most of the "against your site" messages. I do not understand why someone like Chris wants to aid the Japanese in the defense of killing whales. Whether PW is a criminal, who is telling the truth about the sinking of Ady Gil is absolutely of no importance to me.
Most people overlook something that I consider to be the most important point in all of this, how can you slaughter whales humanely ? It is impossible. They are such large mammals that even with exploding harpoon heads the whales can take hours to die. This is sheer torture and for any country or person to want to continue in this sort of killing, shows a total lack of humanity.
Hey Chris ..what about talking about how the Japanese lie. Killing for scientific methods....Yeah Right !!
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Post by frup932 on Jun 26, 2011 18:05:33 GMT -5
Excuse me chris i would just like to talk about " the truth " as is stated about the Adi Gil. Firstly do you deny that the Ady Gil was rammed ilegally by the Shona Maru #2?
You quote that the Ady Gil was "still rock solid...It would have stayed afloat for sure" even though the Ady was doing well to stay afload in the brutal Antarctic ocean with a bow still attached? How could it have stayed afloat with no bow? A scutle was simply a way of haistening the enevitable that was that she would sink. A sensible desision.
Secondly even if you do not believe in the objectives of the sea shepherds i dont see why you can not at least admire that they have gotten off their asses and a doing what they believe in. Many people in the modern world are prepared to sit back and take what the people in the upper echlons of society tell them. Personally i admire this ingenuity and urge more people to be like this. And to even question what they are told, In this way i admire you but i beleive you are just as bad as ministerial liars by spreading your own propoganda witch is taken from, shall i say questionable sources.
To end i thank you for at least opening yourself to critisism and saying that this is just my oppinion and would welcome critisism to it.
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Post by kings09 on Jun 28, 2011 1:10:36 GMT -5
First i would like to point out that all the people in the S.S crew ( excluding Paul Watson ) are volunteers, They know what they are walking into and are prepared for it. Also that yes i am against whaling. Especially the way they kill them, how would you like to be shot with a harpoon gun and dragged up a ramp on the back of a ship by your legs. I guess what i'm saying is they can find a more humane way of killing them if there going to. As humans were yes are the smartest beings on earth, as so we should act like it. We should be more responsible for our planet and wildlife.
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Post by joeyd on Jun 30, 2011 13:10:57 GMT -5
 wow, so i came across this site as i was looking for news on S.S. i found this site, i also found the article called "the truth" im not sure which world this "truth" is from, but it for sure isn’t ours. normally i would make snide remarks about the wrongful accusations, however i know that will do no good here. i say this as i take a step back, and take into account that "chris" obv feels so compelled by his horrid lack of factual statements and evidence, but what makes it even more astonishing is that you went and created a site for people who share this view..... IMO, you should make the primary language here Japanese, as i think mostly they are the only ones who agree with you. the fact of the matter is, these whales are not being killed for research. if they were, there would not be a "factory ship" why would you need a factory to conduct research?.... it has been stated time and time again that whaling is part of Japanese culture, yet since the whaling laws put into effect, they all of a sudden wish to research them. the only logical research i can see them conducting, would be to harpoon one and other to see what pain they inflict upon other living creatures. the measures SS takes to prevent this are borderline, but i for one applaud them taking measures to attempt to prevent this travesty. i see below that someone states "a majority of the world do not believe the value of a human life is equal to that of an animal" may i point out to you that a majority of this world is under developed, and as being seen in the media today, most countries cannot even hold a proper government. what’s my point you ask? a majority of this world is messed up and cannot even come to reason for issues regarding the human race. and to refute your claims, or at least one of them as i don’t have more time to devote to your ill fated ideals, Paul Watson and Pete Bethune were on camera, Paul clearing stating, "its not my boat, its Pete’s call" Pete was the one who made the decision to scuttle the ship. and also to the mention of how the Ady Gil was moving when it was hit by the shonnan maru, nobody was even driving the boat, it was coasting on fumes. the crew is all seen above deck on the bow of the boat as it was struck. even still, if the ady gil was moving, you can see a clear and blatant change of course by the shonnan maru to directly hit the ady gil. i have no more time to waste on you people, good luck with your site.... not really actually, i wish no luck to those who spread lies and garbage towards those who wish to make this world a better place, which i may add, PW is doing a much better job at this than the person who made this site, and those that support it. good day and i hope you people see the "truth" soon enough
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Post by Chris on Jul 22, 2011 19:50:02 GMT -5
good day and i hope you people see the "truth" soon enough What you don't seem to get, Joe, is that we're not interested in the "truth" because that allows for too much subjectivity. "Facts" are far more substantive. And by facts I mean things like all those lies listed on the site that Paul is responsible for. It may be your "truth" that lying is okay for him because he's special and normal rules don't apply. Maybe your "truth" is that lying is always okay. That's why we're sticking to the facts, here. It seems you don't like playing on the side of the pool where the facts linger.... |
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