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Post by tom on Jun 28, 2012 14:03:27 GMT -5
And to the person comparing the SSCS to Nazis, remember who the person is doing the killing. And that post above, with you pulling parts of a quote out of context and not even including the whole quote! Seriously, you have problems, that is major hypocrisy. It makes me doubt your entire site...
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Post by tom on Jun 28, 2012 14:06:26 GMT -5
I don't know why you feel the need to demonize the only conservation group that is actually doing something to end the slaughter of marine wildlife and to ensure the survival of our oceans. I can understand not agreeing with this politics or tactics but to put effort and time in discrediting Watson and his efforts just makes you seem like a ignorant homo sapien who supports the brutal raping of our planet's life support system. If we kill our oceans.. we kill ourselves - it is that simple and it is TRUE. Watson doesn't give a whip about you and your pathetic excuse for a website - he cares about the whales, the sharks, the seals, the sea cucumbers, etc. This website is also pointless because Watson showed and admitted to having disdain for truthfulness in his book Earthforce! when he stated the following; "The nature of the mass media today is such that the truth is irrelevant. What is true and what is right to the general public is what is defined as true and right by the mass media." And again when he stated; "If you don't know an answer, a fact, a statistic, then[...] make it up on the spot and deliver the information confidently and without hesitation." The public is being lied to all the time by everyone. If we were to compare just the lies told by the ICR or the Japanese government and those of Watson, it would be clear as day as to which lies are costing us (humans, marine mammals, Earth) most. Wake up and realize YOU'RE part of the problem not the solution and that people who visit this website will leave it knowing you are a sad, pathetic, weak individual. I don't really even need to respond to this, do I? This is the most ant-Watson comment I've seen from a pro-Watson member. What your position really boils to is "It's okay to lie because everyone is doing it!" Sorry, but most people don't agree with that. Thats what I mean, making some crappy excuse for not answering the question
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Post by minerran on Jul 6, 2012 17:17:30 GMT -5
Chris,
I think the point that "getoverit" is making, is that you lack credibility because you do not state who you are, why this website was created and why are you actively engaged in trying to discredit the Sea Shepherd Organization. While I don't agree with all of Paul Watson's methods, I do think that wanton destruction of sea life is a big mistake. Someone spent a lot of money and time putting together this website. Why? Are you connected with whaling in some way? Is someone connected with whaling paying you? These are legitimate questions that are important for credibility. Why should we believe your "facts' when you are a shadowy figure. Yes we could go on a detective hunt and figure out who registered this website, etc. But that should not be necessary. If you are so sure that you're on the right side of this, then answer these questions. No, we do not want your picture, email address, home phone number, etc. But do explain the who/why of what is going on here. Nobody puts the expense and effort into making a website like this without a good reason.
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Post by minerran on Jul 6, 2012 17:25:49 GMT -5
And....
From what I've read so far, I would say that you, Chris, are expert and dodging questions and at redirecting them in a different direction. This is something my ex-wife used to do and I know the strategy VERY WELL. When you don't want to answer a question, turn it around into an aggressive question back at the person and throw them off balance. This is hardly the way an honest person who thinks they are on the right side of an issue, will behave. It is however, expected from someone who knows they are wrong.
But hey, prove me wrong and give some direct answers. Do feel free.
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Post by shonan2 on Jul 7, 2012 3:19:27 GMT -5
weird how many anti-whalers always demand answers to their questions but when asked simple question themselves like ''ho wis whaling illegal?'' they always dodge the question.
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Post by minerran on Jul 9, 2012 20:18:18 GMT -5
shonan2: "weird how many anti-whalers always demand answers to their questions but when asked simple question themselves like ''ho wis whaling illegal?'' they always dodge the question. "
Nice redirect shonan2! You excel at that. Clearly you and your buddy Chris do not want to discuss simple questions about the website or why you are here. In my experience, that usually means something to hide.
Your reply to my comments shows your ignorance. First, I would not classify myself as "anti-whaler".... I happened upon this site because I saw the "whale wars" show and was curious to know more. Second, I was not asked this question in absurd English ''ho wis whaling illegal?'' but if it means "do I think whaling is illegal?", then my answer would be...within territorial waters of any country who has outlawed it, yes. Outside of those waters, I consider it legal. If a given country is a signatory to any treaty that requires them to prevent their citizens from taking whales and they fail to do so, they would be in violation of the treaty.
Is that good enough for you? I answered the "simple question" which was not asked of me.
You sure do spend A LOT of time here. You have replied to nearly every thread. Why would a young guy like you spend so much time worrying about Paul Watson when he could be out chasing women, putting down a few drinks and doing the "good stuff". Getting paid by the whalers, I bet! If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...it could be a duck!!!
This website is absurd and this is my last post. I have better things to do in life.
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Post by shonan2 on Jul 10, 2012 4:06:56 GMT -5
replying to bullshit posts on here takes 30 seconds a day, leaving plenty of time for me to do tother things. Strange that ain't it.
Glad to see by your reply then that what the Japanese are doing is 100% legal in every way, infact every whaling nation is 100% lawfully.
I wish i was getting paid by the japanese, but sadly no. It was Watson who started this idea that everyone who defends the japanese whaling is being paid for their support. Unfortunatly Watson just can't face the fact that there are plenty of people around the world who value human life over that of some stupid whales
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Post by YingYang on Jul 15, 2012 18:05:17 GMT -5
Glad to see by your reply then that what the Japanese are doing is 100% legal. Unfortunatly Watson just can't face the fact that there are plenty of people around the world who value human life over that of some stupid whales Legal does not mean right, and I know watson has said its unlawful, but Im not here to debate whether he has lied or not. Apartheid was legal, but it does not mean it was right and should of continued. Nelson Mandela stood up to a more powerful opponent and was arrested but is today considered a hero. And nobody values a whales life over a humans, when has that ever been the issue? I think you are just making an ASSumption. Anti-Whalers are just against the needless slaughter of some of the most magnificent, beautiful, smartest family groups on the planet- not, as you succinctly put it, "some stupid whales". Have you seen Super Smart Animals? Its been on TV recently and very respectable scientists have said on a very respectable channel to a very respectable science and research team at the BBC just how smart whales are. You show a complete lack of knowledge with your blunt responses.
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Post by shonan2 on Jul 17, 2012 6:57:52 GMT -5
yeah keep trying to make it a moral issue when it really isn't. Again trying to compare it to human suffering also makes you look rather stupid. Mandela is a terrorist, plain and simple on that one.
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Post by debbie on Jul 19, 2012 13:10:31 GMT -5
Needless to say we are killing our oceans and you are ok with that? wow that says a lot. Like why our world is in the state that it is today.
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Post by debbie on Jul 19, 2012 13:20:21 GMT -5
and as for japan. i gave money to help their people and they turned around and gave it to whaling ships. The goverment put whaling over people. And you defend them. shows you true colors.
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Post by shonan2 on Jul 19, 2012 14:24:03 GMT -5
and as for japan. i gave money to help their people and they turned around and gave it to whaling ships. The goverment put whaling over people. And you defend them. shows you true colors. The money you gave if you really did give any would have gone to charity org like the red cross and that money went to help people. The money used for whaling this year came from Taxes raised in Japan. You rmoney went nowhere near whaling. Jesus how stupid are you people? Several of the towns wiped out by the Tsunami depend on whaling, so your saying those people aren't worth helping but others are? Your pretty sick
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Post by shonan2 on Jul 19, 2012 14:25:11 GMT -5
Needless to say we are killing our oceans and you are ok with that? wow that says a lot. Like why our world is in the state that it is today. Killing 450 whales a year in the southern ocean is not killing the oceans so unless you have an actual point to make WTF are you on about?
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Post by Dijpuff on Jul 27, 2012 17:44:03 GMT -5
If you just took the time to look it up you will find that some of yhat money did go to whaling. That user gave money to help support the japanese people, and they DID use it for whaling. So dont call it sick for the user to be angry. I dont know how you can call that sick when you are spending a suspiciously large amount of time defending people needlessly slaughtering thousands of whales a year. And I hear S Korea is reverting back to whaling for "scientific" purposes. Just another Lie that should be added to this site to show that you are giving each side a fair amount of critisism. I mean, if this site is only interested in the lies not the issue, surely it should include both points of veiw, right?
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Post by dijpuff on Jul 27, 2012 17:49:52 GMT -5
Needless to say we are killing our oceans and you are ok with that? wow that says a lot. Like why our world is in the state that it is today. Killing 450 whales a year in the southern ocean is not killing the oceans so unless you have an actual point to make WTF are you on about? Its more than 450 if you add all the whale murdering group kill totals together. And every creature is inportant in an ecosystem, 'Secrers Of Our Living Planet' proves this. And these cruel methods of killing whales is not humane. We have been strangling the oceans for years now, dont you think its time we loosened the noose?
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