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Post by shonan2 on Aug 18, 2012 4:25:29 GMT -5
I wouldn't be so quick on the not giving up front, you may have no choice in the future, all those legal fees are starting to add up, not to mention watson taking a six figure wage every year from the organisation that others volunteer to work for.
Where is watson at the moment? is he still hiding under someones stairs?
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Post by fireboy on Aug 18, 2012 14:35:51 GMT -5
If you can show me the evidence that he is taking that money than ill agree with you that he is scamming people off. But you will never convince me that protecting minke whales is a bad thing. Yes, there are other species in more immediate danger, and SSCS methods are questionable. But the organisation as a whole, getting inbetween the whales and the whaling ships, are doing a great thing as far as Im concerned. And the Japanese upped their quota to over 900 whales a yar a while back and unless ive missed something then that is correct.
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Post by fireboy on Aug 18, 2012 15:42:59 GMT -5
Sea Shepherd wont have to give up. Yeah Watson might get arrested but that will do little but gain publicity for se shepherd who will be straight back down to stop the japanese whalers.
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Post by shonan2 on Aug 19, 2012 8:16:38 GMT -5
Since when does watson get in between the whalers and the whales? The only tactic they have is to block the slip way of the Nisshin, they just try to prevent the whales being transferred, you know, the already DEAD whales. Bit late to get involved once they are already dead isn't it?
The quota number is immaterial, the japanese could set the quota to a million whales if they wanted, it doesn't mean they will try to catch a million whales. Look at the actual number of whales they catch and you will see the number they actually aim to get. Once again the NIsshin Maru can only hold about 450 whales in its freezers.
Yeah arresting watson won;t directly stop sea shepherd, but it will seriously harm them, all that money on legal fees, the loss of charity status in the countries that support them the most has harmed donations, the continued questions being asked about the finacial situation of the sea shepherds. All these things will continue to harm your group, while at the same time whales are killed alround the world
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Post by shonan2 on Aug 19, 2012 8:17:45 GMT -5
watson makes no secret that he claims a wage from Sea shepherd, have a look through the accounts of th egroup and you will see it. But then alot of supporters have trouble seeing what is really there
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Post by fireboy on Aug 19, 2012 8:51:53 GMT -5
I know that he recieves money, but I am unaware of how much. I cannot find a site that clearly states how much he earns. He has to pay his own bills and with his obvious dedication to sea shepherd he does not have a job, so where can he get money from to survive???
But if you can find a site to back up your claim could you include a link? I would be grateful.
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Post by fireboy on Aug 19, 2012 9:11:04 GMT -5
The fleet cannot hunt if they are being harrased by other ships. That is the reason Japan never meet their quota. I dont care what you say, a quota is their target amount. Thats the definition. And with sea shepherd havng four ships this time, its gonna be a lot harder for the whalers. Although if I were Paul I would change their tactics. Continue with the harassing of the whalers, but also target the Japanese media, use celebrities to back them. Garner support in Japan. Because at the moment the majority of the population is against whaling, its kind of like, when you're a child. You dont want a toy, but as soon as someone else has it, you want it too. They werent really interested in whaling before, but now that a lot of people, SSCS included, have voiced their objections, they have objected in a way that if Japan stopped, it would make t seem like they lost. And the majority of the population are being quite proud and stubborn now. But theres no point crying over spilled milk, so, they should look at the recent poll in Japan that states: For Whaling: 52% Dont Care: 35% Against Whaling: 13% They should be targeting that 35%, because the more support they have in Japan itself, the more effective, their attempts will be. They need to stop people in Japan thinking of them as eco-terrorists and get more of them on their side. Thats the only way its gonna end.
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Post by shonan2 on Aug 19, 2012 10:13:21 GMT -5
The quota went up when they had a second ship to carry the meat back home, that ship has now gone and they haven't bothered to change the quota. Why would they, pointless paperwork. The Nisshin can carry 450 whales. they didn;t always meet that quota back before watson started going down there, did he save those whales aswell then?
So the majority is against whaling and yet you say 52% is for whaling and only 13% is against it? make your mind up.
Watsons group will never get big support in japan because of the offensive racist attitude he has had towards them in the past, that poem he wrote after the tsunami last year earned him alot of hatred. Having a group of supporters who spend most of their time writing offensive posts on the internet about japan doesn;t help his image either
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Post by shonan2 on Aug 19, 2012 10:13:49 GMT -5
SS accounts are available to view on the internet
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Post by fireboy on Aug 19, 2012 11:41:18 GMT -5
Again, I cant find the site, so unless you cannot back up your claim with evidence, give me a link.
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Post by fireboy on Aug 19, 2012 11:51:25 GMT -5
I never said the majority supported him. I said "a good number" Learn to read. And they are still collecting less whales a year than they were before SSCS went there due to their harassment of them. So dont say they hasnt made a difference, because this site wouldnt exist if their methods werent even moderately effective.
Yes, he has been racist, but the majority of the supporters are not. So do not lump them all together. And as for the poem, I saw no racism in it. I found it a mourneful poem, I believe that if you are constantly searching for racism you can find it almost everywhere. Here is the poem:
Neptune’s voice rolled like thunder thru the sky Angrily he smote the deep seabed floor From the shore echoed mankind’s mournful cry ……The sea rose up and struck fast for the shore From out of the East with the rising sun The seas fearful wrath burst upon the land With little time to prepare or to run Against a power no human can stand
Where in there does it state its the sea revenge??
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Post by shonan2 on Aug 19, 2012 12:30:13 GMT -5
only in the last 2 years has the catch been below what it was before he turned up. The previous years were all higher since he turned up. The average catch since watson turned up is higher than the same number of years directly before he turned up. So yeah, way to save the whales.
You say people are now being stubborn because giving in now would be seen as losing to watson. So all watson has done is prolong whaling by making an ass out of himself. AGain what a way to save the whales.
If his way is the right way how come hes the only group to do it, even greenpeace realised that acting like twats was the wrong way to go about stopping the japanese, unfortunatly all the progress they then made has been undone by watson and his monkeys.
Actually the majority of his supporters on places like FB are the sick racist bigots that i have mentioned.
The poem is about the Seas wrath at the japanese for killing whales and dolphins, yeah thats the view of a sane person isn;t it, does he truelly believe the sea was just getting even? Maybe he does, afterall he claims a whale spoke to him once when he looked in its eye
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Post by fireboy on Aug 19, 2012 14:23:30 GMT -5
"only in the last 2 years has the catch been below what it was before he turned up. The previous years were all higher since he turned up." So SSCS is making progress, I dont care about the average, its getting better. "You say people are now being stubborn because giving in now would be seen as losing to watson. So all watson has done is prolong whaling by making an ass out of himself. AGain what a way to save the whales." Ill give you that one. Watson should have been more careful in alienating the Japanese Public. "If his way is the right way how come hes the only group to do it, even greenpeace realised that acting like twats was the wrong way to go about stopping the japanese, unfortunatly all the progress they then made has been undone by watson and his monkeys." Same goal, different methods. SSCS have, as I said above, made progress, but again, Watson should have, you know, not made the racist comments. "Actually the majority of his supporters on places like FB are the sick racist bigots that i have mentioned." And you can say that because you know the exact number of SSCS supporters on facebook? You cannot make statements like that without any evidence. I believe that those racists bigots, are the minority, but all the reasonable ones are ignored because the few that are racist, are louder and their exttreme comments overshadow the reasonable comments. ANd also mentioning that there may actually be reasonable people who are against slaughtering whales en masse doesnt support your side. "The poem is about the Seas wrath at the japanese for killing whales and dolphins" I dont know where you are getting that from. I didnt get thaat message at all. I read a mourneful poem, that didnt even mention, dolphiins, whales or revenge. So... "he claims a whale spoke to him once when he looked in its eye" Maybe one did Nobody can disprove it lol
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Post by fireboy on Aug 19, 2012 15:57:39 GMT -5
Just want to give you this website which includes statements from the Japanese government that SSCS ARE making a difference. So all your claims that SSCS dont save anything have been false. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17312460
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Post by shonan2 on Aug 19, 2012 17:01:53 GMT -5
They lowered the catch one year and then last year the catch number increased again. Then you should have seen the original posting of the poem by watson and the comments he made about it at the time which he then went on to delete when even some of his own supporters questioned his mentality over making such stupid comments. Just go on FB and read the comments his supporters make, the majority are pathetic. Just for you. The SS accounts. Watson is claiming a very nice £121 601. remember that doesn;t include his travel fees, hotel fees, food etc etc etc. Look at some of the other things they are spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on. www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2010/930/792/2010-930792021-076b1ad8-9.pdf
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