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Post by fireboy on Aug 19, 2012 17:57:01 GMT -5
Thats like £1700 an hour! That fact has completely changed my opinion on Paul Watson. Not SSCS though.
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Post by fireboy on Aug 19, 2012 18:13:39 GMT -5
Just go on FB and read the comments his supporters make, the majority are pathetic. They are just a bunch of outspoken dicks who dont know anything about the subject they are talking about. You can find them everywhere. They by no means represent the majority of anti- whalers.
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Post by shonan2 on Aug 20, 2012 4:32:25 GMT -5
SS is an organisation formed to give watson a good living, thats all its ever been. Thats just what he claims on the tax forms, the real number could be much higher than that. Lets also not forget that SS has bought several properties for watson over the years, including, rather ironically a fishing lodge in North America. I don't think its terribly ethical to become a millionaire running a ''charity''
I didn't say anti-whalers, i said SS supporters. They are two very different things in my mind. The majority of anti whalers don't support watson and SS because most anti whalers are reasonable people, watson and ss panders to the violent racist fringe of the movement, hence why i say a large proportion of his followers are mental
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Post by Wow on Sept 3, 2012 1:11:52 GMT -5
whats he doing thats meaningful? Hes never saved anything in his entire life. Hes killed quite a few animals in his time, don't forget watson isn't even a vegetarian. Remember that time when his boat rammed through the ice flows in canada killing dozens of baby seals? Way to go Paul Watson Way to do your research on how many animals he is saving. You forgot to mention the part of him and his organization saving marine animals every where. And so you think helping side poachers. (Which is illegal.) It's just like siding with the guy who is killing innocent people when some one is trying to stop him. Also after S.S. shortened the Japanese's quota by 400+ whales, there was still tons off meat leftover that they couldn't sell. That's like hunting for the biggest animal you can find, killing it, and leaving its meat to rot and not eat it. Think about this, if S.S. is trying to stop whaling and clean up the ocean, why would they allow a boat filled with chemicals to be purposely hit and left to sink to harm the very animals they are trying to save. This site is obnoxious. Go find something to complain about where you aren't siding with people who kill animals inhumanely and leave there kill to waste. ;D I would like to see everyone's history of family or what they like to eat out all of the S.S. haters.
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Post by shonan2 on Sept 3, 2012 6:05:04 GMT -5
either english isn't your first language or your just not very bright but i think i understand what your trying to say.
Please inform me of what animals watson and his crew have saved? Every hunt he has got involved with is still happening and in most cases has actually increased in size.
If no one in japan wants to eat whale meat the industry will die on its own without watson fucking bout with it. If what you say is true all watson is doing is galvanising the japanese people behind the whalers.
Your right id SS is trying to help the oceans why DID they leave a ship filled with chemicals and diseal to just sink polluting the ocean because that is exactly what they did. SS have also left another of their ships in canada to slowly rust away, again polluting the eco system they claim to be saving. Why are SS crew members on record saying they dump their waste overboard once they are out of sight of land? Why do they repeatably leave their ropes and other junk floating in the oceans when they can't be bothered to retrieve them.
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Post by fireboy on Sept 3, 2012 6:17:17 GMT -5
He saved hundreds of whales, again, the whalers got less than 30% of tgeir quota. Thats a very high number of whales still swimming in the southern ocean.
You said the industry didnt turn a profit anyway so that didnt matter? You are contradicting yourself.
They had to scuttle the Ady Gil because some aggresive people on the boat i presume you named yourself after, rammed into it. If you think SSCS crashed into it on purpose you are seriously delusional. The 6 people on the boat could have DIED. And then the Shonan Maru 2 hosed them with watercannons! If the Shonan didjt want to hit it why did it turn and aim towards the boat that was still in tge water? And the Ady Gil had its fuel drained before they cut it lose to sink. Sunken ships can be great marine habitats too.
If the ship was damaged and unusable what are they supposed to do? They left it to rust away, what else coukd they have done? Lugged it away? With what?
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Post by shonan2 on Sept 3, 2012 11:11:14 GMT -5
once again they can only catch about 45% of their quota anyway so they only cam eup about 150 whale short of their total. Watson himself said the weather was the worst he had ever seen down there, you don;t think that had a much bigger impact on the lower catch than watson did, especially since they never actually found the fleet? In the 6 years that watson has been going to the southern ocean more whales have been killed than in the 6 years immedietly before he turned up. yeah thats saving whales ain't it
Where am i contradicting myself? Im merely pointing out the flaws with watsons arguements. the only one that contradicts himself is watson, many because he lies so much and can never remember what he has already said.
They tried to scuttle the ady gil because watson couldn't be arsed to tow it to harbour, Bethune himself has said they didn;t clean it out fully because its impossible to do at sea, and they didn't even scuttle it, they just cut the tow line and let it drift away, the boat builders have even said there is a good chance its still floating around down there. The crash occured because of poor seamanship on both sides, the Shonan did get abit to close but would have missed the Ady if the Ady Gil helsmen hadn't of hit the throttles just before impact. The New Zealand report blamed both sides for the accident
Are you honestly saying leaving a ship to rust away polluting the enviroment is a good thing? For someone who supposbaly cares about the enviroment that does sound rather stupid. Once a boat is fisnished you scrap it, you don't just dump it in a pristine enviroment and forget about it, but thats what watson does.
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Post by fireboy on Sept 3, 2012 13:28:59 GMT -5
The average number may have gone up but the last two years have been lower than they have ever been.
You are condradicting yourself when you said, 'If no one in japan wants to eat whale meat the industry will die on its own' Yet on a previois post you said that the money did not matter as the project is "research" and its government funding, therefore the money isnt a problem and they dont need people to eat it.
The ship was taking on water, it was sinking. They drained it as best they could. Explain to me why the Shonan even turned toward the Ady Gil in the first place. It was still in the water, and posed no threat to the crew on board the Shonan. What other reason to turn towards the Ady Gil than to ram it??
Im not saying that leaving the boat to rust is good, its terrible, but what else could they have done? Lugged it back? With what?
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Post by shonan2 on Sept 4, 2012 5:55:11 GMT -5
SO because 2 years have been lower thats saving whales is it? Thats a very short sighted view of saving whales isn't it. But then when the big picture shows watson hasn't achieved much i suppose the small picture is all you have to look at.
Its not a contradiction im making, its the contradiciton watson has made. Its watson thats saying no one in japan wants to eat whale meat, if thats the truth paul why fight so hard against the japanese, why not work with them?
The best they could is meaningless, they could easily have towed it to port and saved the ship, watson ordered them to cut the lines and let it drift because he didn;t want to waste time protecting the oceans when he could be attacking people.
You do yourself no favours complaining about the shonan attacking the ady gil, lets not forget the ady was only down there for one reason, to attack the japanese, don't complain if the japanese stand up for themselves. Had the helsman of the ady gil not hit the throttles all that would have hgappened is they would have got abit wet from the water cannons, but no, he panicked and gunned it forwards straight into a collison with the shonan. Even Bethune said he didn't believe the japanese rammed his boat on purpose
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Post by shonan2 on Sept 4, 2012 6:01:27 GMT -5
''Im not saying that leaving the boat to rust is good, its terrible, but what else could they have done? Lugged it back? With what?''
Well lets see they could have towed the Ady back to port, saving it from breaking up in the enviroment.
The MY Sea shepherd was sunk by watson in Leixous harbour, again causing contamination in the enviroment.
The MY Sea Shepherd II was left to rot in canada causing thousands of gallons of toxic fluid to spill into the enviroment and leaving the hull to rot away.
someone who really cares about the enviroment wouldn't think of doing any of these things with a ship, let alone doing it time and again.
I've shown you that they have enough money to dispose of vessels in an enviromentally friendly way, they just can't be arsed
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Post by magne on Apr 4, 2013 19:59:28 GMT -5
Why would you start a petition against the few people who are doing something meaningfull in this world? It is always wrong to kill animals.. always. Well, I guess you're a vegetarian...
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Post by frangelle on Jun 23, 2015 10:36:11 GMT -5
An excellent utilization of logic!
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